Carl and Richard chat with Aral Balkan about mobile application design. The conversation starts with a discussion of Aral's keynote at NDC and the design thinking that went into it - avoid cognitive dissidence, clutter, etc. Aral then dives into the dangers of hybrid apps: how combining HTML 5 and native wrappers does not make cross-platform development free. And finally the show wraps up with a great discussion on design as a whole. Just the show you need if you're debating how to build your mobile applications!